[14.51.22] It's weird how that's still effective, because people expect it to be dead [14.51.43] THE ANCIENT AND MYSTICAL ART [14.51.45] the bayonet was never really effective, it was mainly psycological [14.51.45] So when a bunch of guys charge at you screaming, red-faced and pissed you don't know how to respond [14.51.46] OF STABBING A DUDE [14.52.03] Uh, in urban or jumgle combat, melee weapons and bayonets fucking reigned. [14.52.08] it stayed around because it was useful for other stuff beyond attaching it to your gun [14.52.15] Well it was probably effective in the days when you got one shot per minute [14.52.30] in those days guns were made of wood and heavy as hell so people used them as clubs [14.52.40] There's a reason we were getting slaughtered by dudes in farmers outfits and kukri in Vietnam [14.53.10] it's psycological because it's a shart pointy thing comming at you and untrained peopel run away from that [14.53.42] Guns are just ways of stabbing a person from range. [14.53.45] Saito, do you really know what you're talking about or are you just prattling on based on wehat you think you know [14.53.57] That guy reminds me of this guy [14.53.59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpgxry542M [14.54.06] Man, have you ever hefted a modern rifle, Saito? [14.54.07] That is my favorite person in Mass Effect 2 [14.54.24] A modern combat rifle is pretty damn heavy, being made almost entirely of metal. [14.54.52] right cause all that plastic and space age aluminum on the M16 is heavier than massive old school iron and wood muskets [14.55.04] Uh, man, Saito [14.55.18] Currently used M16s don't sport that kind of gear and the army is only *slowly* phasing that all in. [14.55.40] Because that shit costs a lot of money and often also involves retraining hundreds of thousands of dudes. [14.55.43] A Lee Enfield and a M16 weigh about the same [14.56.20] This is out of my league but uh... for the record I'm siding with the guy who is employed by a military [14.56.34] Because this seems like the kind of thing he would know [14.57.13] to be fair all of my knowledge is second hand or through range experience. [14.57.19] But I have plenty of military friends. [14.57.28] Also I really like guns. <_< [14.58.08] Most muskets are apparently 10 pounds, which is only slightly heavier then the Lee Enfield. [14.58.19] Mind, that's not counting ammo [14.59.16] the bayonnet started as a way to be armed after you fired that one shot, originally they were regular knives that you stuck into your useless rifle so you could stab people like a pike. But they stuck around because they were useful for things like digging holes or used as tools [14.59.35] but even by the 17ths when we had decent cannon and artillery the bayonet charge was useless [14.59.49] anyone just walking down a field with their guns pointed at you would get torn appart by cannon shot [15.00.11] lrn2modern combat [15.00.11] in the 1800s it's completely pointless by the time you get to the civil war [15.01.00] you have repeating weapons, rifled cannons and super accurate ammunition that could kill people at a 1000 yards plus. [15.01.14] >super accurate ammunition [15.01.19] Dude, ammo is only part of the factor [15.01.28] The deciding factor on accuracy is the guy holding the gun [15.01.39] they still used Bayonets in WWI with served little use against fucking machineguns [15.01.39] Again, urban combat. [15.02.29] <@Regris[School]> The deciding factor on accuracy is the guy holding the gun <-- yeah which is why people drilled endlessly to reload and fire [15.02.48] * Regris[School] shakes his head. [15.02.53] Saito, just stop. [15.03.08] And yet it was still shown years later that even with the drills, people either missed, or never fired their weapons. [15.03.13] why? Because I've just writen how the Bayonet became obsolete? [15.03.23] It's not obsolete though :V